Joshua Carpenter>>hi
Kip Walker>>Postman sucks
Douglas Brunson>>Hey Jeff.
Lisa Christopher>>be nice
Hoa Pham>>i agree
Vernon Atkins>>hello guys
Joshua Carpenter>>turkle the turkey
Jeff Moreland>>what are we suppose to be doing again
Vernon Atkins>>gobble gobble
Kip Walker>>talking
Joshua Carpenter>>waste time
Andy Epton>>i have no idea
Hoa Pham>>hey, does everyone agree that you essay sucks
Hoa Pham>>?
Vernon Atkins>>ummmmm...
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Jeff Moreland>>i love english 102
Vernon Atkins>>me too jeff
Andy Epton>>ditto
Joshua Carpenter>>suck up
Kip Walker>>I think that Chris is the best professor on campus
Hoa Pham>>sure
Lisa Christopher>>lets go
Jeff Moreland>>ours is about muds
Vernon Atkins>>what are muds
Jeff Moreland>>multi user domains
Joshua Carpenter>>basiclaly chat rooms
Vernon Atkins>>ok
Joshua Carpenter>>like this sort of
Lisa Christopher>>i'm confused.. explain more
Hoa Pham>>how are we debating about this?
Guest Guest>>Ki have great insight
Jeff Moreland>>hold on
Joshua Carpenter>>It talks about the changes that the online lives
will have on humanity
Douglas Brunson>>Yes, Its means Multi User Dungeon\Domain (MUD)
Hoa Pham>>what kind of changes?
Guest Guest>>MOOOOOO
Lisa Christopher>>have you seen those people who get married online..
and have never met
Guest Guest>>I was at two online weddings
Douglas Brunson>>I think they are idiots.
Vernon Atkins>>what weirdo's
Lisa Christopher>>i think that just wierd
Kip Walker>>that is crazy
Hoa Pham>>yeah, that is rediculous
Joshua Carpenter>>That personally seems insane to me
Jeff Moreland>>when people use chat rooms are they expressing reality
or fantasy
Guest Guest>>It was very sweet, Someone passed out virtual tissues
Kip Walker>>some married people have affairs online
Hoa Pham>>virtual tissues?
Joshua Carpenter>>there are people that live their whole lives online
in chatrooms
Guest Guest>>I know quite a lot of people who have met their
lovers/partners online
Andy Epton>>i knew someone that met her husband on the internet
Lisa Christopher>>its worse than tv
Guest Guest>>Why Lisa?
Hoa Pham>>if they get married online, what do they do about sex?
Andy Epton>>yes, why
Lisa Christopher>>it sucks you in and it only gets worse
Jeff Moreland>>there is no censorship
Vernon Atkins>>cyber sex
Guest Guest>>Who is in the Turkle group here?
Vernon Atkins>>??
Kip Walker>>One of my friends roommate chats 24/7
Hoa Pham>>cyber sex?
Guest Guest>>Why is that Bad, Lisa?
Guest Guest>>Really Kip?
Jeff Moreland>>I'm in the TURKLE group
Joshua Carpenter>>Online just doen't do it for me; I have to have
physical interaction
Vernon Atkins>>maybe they have cyber kids
Lisa Christopher>>your whole life goes down drain cause you spend
all your time in front of your puter
Joshua Carpenter>>I don't like the sterile nature of the computer
Hoa Pham>>i agree with you josh
Lisa Christopher>>sterile nature?
Andy Epton>>the computer is our friend
Guest Guest>>Sherry Turkle's famous quote is, ":Reality is just
another window."
Hoa Pham>>i wonder if they have virtual condoms too?
Guest Guest>>I spill stuff on my computer, so it isn't sterile Josh
Andy Epton>>what would that be
Joshua Carpenter>>probably
Kip Walker>>If you lived your whole life on the computer would be
able to type and read really fast
Douglas Brunson>>because the person you spend your time with you
should be able to live together not pretend.
Joshua Carpenter>>Yeah but there is no real interaction;
Guest Guest>>How does your whole life go down the drain Lisa?
Douglas Brunson>>I'm in Turkle.
Joshua Carpenter>>I like the looking someone in the face
Lisa Christopher>>cause you don't pay any attention to the things
around you
Andy Epton>>Dean Koontz wrote a book on this subject
Guest Guest>>My life has gotten better and I started chatting in 1990
Andy Epton>>to an extent
Guest Guest>>I'm Dr. Sherry
Kip Walker>>who?
Kip Walker>>is Dr. sherry
Hoa Pham>>thats another thing, if you interact with someone over the
computer, you wouldn't be able to know if that person is lying or not
Guest Guest>>Why isn't the interaction REAL? Seems real to me.
Jeff Moreland>>that is the problem with chats, people aren't
themselves
Joshua Carpenter>>thanks Dr. Sherry; when do you start quizzing us
Andy Epton>>that's the great part.
Guest Guest>>Good point Hoa
Andy Epton>>i like lying
Jeff Moreland>>there are no consequences for your actions
Kip Walker>>Everyone lies about themselves when they chat
Lisa Christopher>>i did that once
Joshua Carpenter>>There has to be a difference between perception and
reality
Vernon Atkins>>well lets say im a guy...and the person that i
virtually marry is a sicko guy who is pretending to be a girl.
Vernon Atkins>>yuck
Guest Guest>>And this is a bad thing Jaeff?
Joshua Carpenter>>people loose sight of thsi
Joshua Carpenter>>this
Andy Epton>>it happens
Hoa Pham>>yeah, you do have a lot of sickos online
Guest Guest>>So, if you fell in love, what's wrong with it?
Andy Epton>>it could be to anybody
Guest Guest>>The famous quote is, on the Internet, no one knows
you're a dog.
Joshua Carpenter>>What happens when we are all living online and no
one is doing anything?
Hoa Pham>>how can you fall in love with someone you do not physically
interact with?
Jeff Moreland>>if there are no consequences to one's actions, then
that person will do things he/she wouldn't normally do
Lisa Christopher>>i think its fun to go into a chat room and pretend
you're the opposite sex and see what people do
Lisa Christopher>>its fun to mess with there minds
Guest Guest>>We would be doing something. We would be living online.
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Joshua Carpenter>>yeah, but not for long
Kip Walker>>that would be boring
Andy Epton>>yeah, but can you sleep online
Joshua Carpenter>>you would be dead eventually
Vernon Atkins>>woah...i had some friends one time that went into a
lesbian chat room and said that they were girls...so they could trade
pictures
Andy Epton>>dead to the world
Lisa Christopher>>you can sleep.... you just set it as n/a
Vernon Atkins>>sad huh?
Hoa Pham>>i bet that was interesting
Joshua Carpenter>>thanks tripp
Jeff Moreland>>friends 'eh
Vernon Atkins>>sorry guys
Vernon Atkins>>you know wingate jeff
Jeff Moreland>>yes
Jeff Moreland>>i believe it too
Vernon Atkins>>it was him
Lisa Christopher>>don't become a cyerspace junkie
Joshua Carpenter>>Really good points here
Kip Walker>>Lets talk about Postman
Douglas Brunson>>I don't think you can fall in love on line. That is
rediculous.
Lisa Christopher>>no
Andy Epton>>i agree
Vernon Atkins>>i all about not falling in love on line
Hoa Pham>>YES!!! POSTMAN
Lisa Christopher>>no
Hoa Pham>>what a loser
Douglas Brunson>>Don't bash the lady, Hoa.
Jeff Moreland>>our spoken language will soon devolve into a bunch of
keyboard sounds
Joshua Carpenter>>RL and CL are two different things and Cl will
never outweigh RL for me
Jeff Moreland>>instead of saying hi we could say click click
Hoa Pham>>im talking about postman here, he is the loser
Vernon Atkins>>RL and CL?
Andy Epton>>Postman's full of mindless drivel
Douglas Brunson>>ok.
Lisa Christopher>>no postman
Joshua Carpenter>>real life and cyber life
Hoa Pham>>im sorry lisa, i wasn't talking about you
Vernon Atkins>>ok
Vernon Atkins>>i gotcha
Jeff Moreland>>ok let's go with postman
Joshua Carpenter>>this is total madness
Lisa Christopher>>no
Lisa Christopher>>no postman
Kip Walker>>Postman thinks that institutions control information
which makes society run smoother
Andy Epton>>i agree with Lisa
Kip Walker>>kick lisa off
Joshua Carpenter>> Big Brother?
Hoa Pham>>ok, if everyone would paused for a moment, we can talk
about postman
Lisa Christopher>>no
Lisa Christopher>>its not time to change the topic yet
Hoa Pham>>no what?
Vernon Atkins>>pause??
Lisa Christopher>>no postman
Jeff Moreland>>what is wrong with postman
Hoa Pham>>ok lisa, what do you have to say?
Joshua Carpenter>>I think the sex thing has went as far as it can
reasonably go
Lisa Christopher>>i don't want to talk about postman
Jeff Moreland>>why not
Lisa Christopher>>no.. i now you guys...
Andy Epton>>what do you want to talk about
Hoa Pham>>ok, THEN what do you want to talk about?
Lisa Christopher>>know
Kip Walker>>Lisa have you read it?
Vernon Atkins>>but its more fun talking about sex than a mail man
Lisa Christopher>>read what?
Hoa Pham>>POSTMAN
Joshua Carpenter>>true
Lisa Christopher>>yes i have
Lisa Christopher>>and i don't want to talk about it
Hoa Pham>>THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING NO WHERE
Lisa Christopher>>exaclty
Lisa Christopher>>exactly
Kip Walker>>Think how we felt when we had to write about it
Jeff Moreland>>when i read postman, i agreed with him
Douglas Brunson>>This is why the internet chat rooms are a complete
waste of time.
Lisa Christopher>>lets talk about mcdermot
Andy Epton>>ok
Hoa Pham>>mcdermot?
Lisa Christopher>>no postman
Joshua Carpenter>>postman it is
Vernon Atkins>>postman i guess
Douglas Brunson>>Does anyone agree with me?
Lisa Christopher>>nows your chance.. postman
Vernon Atkins>>come on doug, chat is fun
Douglas Brunson>>Yeah, but when in life are you going to use it?
Joshua Carpenter>>I agree Doug
Andy Epton>>everyday
Vernon Atkins>>English 102
Joshua Carpenter>>exactly
Douglas Brunson>>The only time I chat is on IM when I talk to my
mother.
Hoa Pham>>Postman, he sucks!!!!! his whole essay is about how
information is being controlled
Vernon Atkins>>and during engineering class
Jeff Moreland>>ok enough with the crap, on to postman
Lisa Christopher>>hmm... CIA... FBI
Joshua Carpenter>>Big Brother then? 1984?
Lisa Christopher>>no duh... information is controlled
Kip Walker>>I don't think that information should be controlled
Andy Epton>>brainwashing
Lisa Christopher>>i want to know who shot kennedy
Hoa Pham>>his essay is absolutely dry.........it took me 2 days to
read that essay........and its only 10 pages long
Jeff Moreland>>we are now experiencing an oveflow of information
Andy Epton>>everybody does
Joshua Carpenter>>1984 is coming; the government is just waiting for
the right time
Kip Walker>>What if we find out stuff that we were not supposed to
know
Lisa Christopher>>1984 was 15 years ago
Douglas Brunson>>No one controls the information in my head.
Andy Epton>>what are we not supposed to know
Kip Walker>>1984?
Lisa Christopher>>yes they do... the voices do
Joshua Carpenter>>The book by Orwell: 1984
Hoa Pham>>what voices?
Andy Epton>>voices are our friends
Hoa Pham>>Big Brother?
Lisa Christopher>>1984 was 15 years ago.. Get over it
Joshua Carpenter>>has no one read it?
Jeff Moreland>>but doug it is how the information got into your head
that causes the problems
Lisa Christopher>>that year sucked
Andy Epton>>how can you remember that year
Vernon Atkins>>i was four years old in 1984, i dont remeber anything
from then
Andy Epton>>exactly
Douglas Brunson>>Information is not really controlled. You have to
know where to find it.
Lisa Christopher>>so why do we care about 1984
Hoa Pham>>actually, that book is written in 1948
Lisa Christopher>>???
Andy Epton>>no, it's controllec
Andy Epton>>controlled
Joshua Carpenter>>The book 1984 about how a government that
controlled every facit of every persson's life
Jeff Moreland>>if information wasn't controlled there would be total
choas like there is in here
Vernon Atkins>>well doug to know where to find it you probably have
to be kinda close to big brother
Lisa Christopher>>if its not controlled then tell we who shot kennedy
doug!
Kip Walker>>Have you seen enemy of the state
Joshua Carpenter>>A crazy nut
Vernon Atkins>>i saw it... good movie
Andy Epton>>or executive action
Joshua Carpenter>>the truth that no one wants to look at
Lisa Christopher>>who shot kennedy!
Hoa Pham>>now, back to postman, he saids that there is a big brother,
actually, a lot of big brothers, that watches over us and keeps
certain information away from us
Jeff Moreland>>not only is info controlled but it is also destroyed
Hoa Pham>>I DONT KNOW WHO SHOT KENNEDY
Andy Epton>>the man did
Joshua Carpenter>>they feel safer thinking its a conspericacy rather
than thinking that one person could have that big of an simpact
Douglas Brunson>>Our government might try to control information, but
not all information is known. Most that is known you can find.
Hoa Pham>>actually, i think lisa shot kennedy
Lisa Christopher>>the man on the grassy knoll
Lisa Christopher>>?
Vernon Atkins>>maybe kennedy faked his death...those crazy kenndys
Andy Epton>>no, the Man shot him
Hoa Pham>>hey, you set him up
Lisa Christopher>>god shot him?
Andy Epton>>no. the Man
Joshua Carpenter>>where did sGod come in?
Hoa Pham>>GOD? why would he do that?
Kip Walker>>He may have and the goverment is controlling that info.
and won't let us know
Lisa Christopher>>god... the MAN?
Vernon Atkins>>God threw a bolt of lightning on him...i doubt it
Jeff Moreland>>so, those of you in postman--what arguments does he
make
Andy Epton>>God's not the Man.
Hoa Pham>>God does not need a gun to kill someone
Andy Epton>>the Man is covering everything up
Hoa Pham>>who the Man?
Lisa Christopher>>god controlls information
Joshua Carpenter>>lovely total chaos
Douglas Brunson>>Who is the Man.
Kip Walker>>The Man is the government
Jeff Moreland>>postman is the MAN
Vernon Atkins>>do u think Clinton is the man
Joshua Carpenter>>If you believe in him that is
Lisa Christopher>>I'm the MAN
Andy Epton>>The Man works with Them
Vernon Atkins>>he lied about everything else
Douglas Brunson>>NO!!!
Douglas Brunson>>He is an absolute idiot.
Kip Walker>>See, Clinton tried to control info, and got in trouble
Hoa Pham>>The Man is also Religion, School, etc.........everyone that
has an influence on you
Andy Epton>>The Man covered up Roswell
Douglas Brunson>>He also got himself impeached.
Vernon Atkins>>yup
Joshua Carpenter>>Big Brother is alive and well
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Lisa Christopher>>but can you see if they found himn gulity,.... our
country run by Gore???
Hoa Pham>>is clinton the big brother
Hoa Pham>>?
Joshua Carpenter>>have to watch out for him
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Douglas Brunson>>Then you are also part of the process of covering up
info.
Hoa Pham>>if so, i think hilary is the big sister
Joshua Carpenter>>Better than a subverter of the constutution
Vernon Atkins>>I bet clinton is the big brother...he knows just how
to take care of little sister monica
Andy Epton>>no, clinton is too stupid to be Big Brother
Jeff Moreland>>the government should controll more info and restrict
our rights
Douglas Brunson>>Because we don't accept what we know is true.
Jeff Moreland>>that way we can't hurt ourselves
Lisa Christopher>>i have a big brother
Douglas Brunson>>Jeff, you are so wrong.
Kip Walker>>Restrict our rights?
Lisa Christopher>>his name is jerry
Kip Walker>>that is crazy
Douglas Brunson>>Move to China.
Andy Epton>>what are you talking about
Lisa Christopher>>he is 21 years old
Jeff Moreland>>the price of freedom is what we our experiencing now
Lisa Christopher>>he lives in charleston
Joshua Carpenter>>Good socialistic view jeff; move to China please
and leave america free for me
Andy Epton>>we need to know
Hoa Pham>>does Jerry buy beer for you?
Andy Epton>>the truth
Kip Walker>>we should be able to sort through all the info and take
in what we want
Lisa Christopher>>no.. beer is bad
Vernon Atkins>>whos jerry???Springer
Lisa Christopher>>i love my big brother
Joshua Carpenter>>the price of freedom is eternall vigilance from
people who would take it from us
Jeff Moreland>>democracy doesn't work because people are idiots
Hoa Pham>>that is so un true...........thats another government cover
up.........beer is good, its good for you
Andy Epton>>true
Douglas Brunson>>Jeff, we don't live in a democracy.
Hoa Pham>>dont you watch the simpsons?
Lisa Christopher>>no beer is BAD
Jeff Moreland>>we don't
Vernon Atkins>>McDermott is in the house
Andy Epton>>where
Vernon Atkins>>i dunno
Joshua Carpenter>>What are wee doing now?
Andy Epton>>did he bring snacks
Lisa Christopher>>mcdermott says that techology influences society
Vernon Atkins>>i hope so
Joshua Carpenter>>cyber snaks
Hoa Pham>>ok
Vernon Atkins>>mmmmmm
Jeff Moreland>>and i agree with mcderm
Andy Epton>>of course it does
Joshua Carpenter>>no kidding
Douglas Brunson>>This country was set up to be run by people with
morals. It is not that way now. That is why everything is so messed
up.
Kip Walker>>Technology does influence society, look what we are doing
now
Andy Epton>>what are morals
Lisa Christopher>>he says that the populations tends to lean towards
what ever lechnology they have to use
Jeff Moreland>>that is valid
Vernon Atkins>>he says that technology makes a larger difference in
the social classes
Andy Epton>>yep
Kip Walker>>it does
Jeff Moreland>>we might be writting with stone tablets instead of
computers
Hoa Pham>>of course it does
Lisa Christopher>>the more money you have.. .the more technology you
can buy
Douglas Brunson>>Morals as in the Bible.
Jeff Moreland>>if it wasn't for technology
Andy Epton>>cardboard boxes aren't microsoft compatable
Vernon Atkins>>it almost forms its own social class...a technological
class
Hoa Pham>>so what is this guys argument?
Kip Walker>>not many homeless people can put their ideas on the
internet
Joshua Carpenter>>Yeah; but that has always been true; just what you
are buying is changing
Lisa Christopher>>the technology shapes society
Andy Epton>>it does
Kip Walker>>it always has
Jeff Moreland>>technology is a symbol of power
Hoa Pham>>DUH!!!! i think everyone sees that
Vernon Atkins>>he argues against another guy...Emmanuel Mesthene,
technology is bad for society, and Mesthene argues that it is good
for society
Jeff Moreland>>the more tech you have the more power you have
Andy Epton>>car phones have a major impact on cars
Andy Epton>>ye
Andy Epton>>yep
Vernon Atkins>>they cause wrecks when women are trying to drive, put
on makeup and talk on the phone
Hoa Pham>>my fingers are hurting from all this typing
Joshua Carpenter>>technology isnt the point; that is just hte way our
society has always been set up; technology doesn't change anything
Andy Epton>>yes it does
Joshua Carpenter>>at least not in that context
Kip Walker>>Technology can't be bad, but bad people can do stuff with
technology
Jeff Moreland>>but only women, right trip
Douglas Brunson>>People who are on the phone have a driving rate of
those who are drunk.
Vernon Atkins>>yeah
Lisa Christopher>>technology does change... think baout how your life
here at clemson would be without your computer
Hoa Pham>>how come we dont have those voice recognition programs
where we can talk and it would type for us
Hoa Pham>>that would be more efficient
Joshua Carpenter>>But it doesn't change my personality
Lisa Christopher>>but not as fun
Kip Walker>>then you wouldn''t need it because people could hear you
Vernon Atkins>>then everybody elses computer would be typing what i
said if i yelled it loud enough
Joshua Carpenter>>I'm the same as I was before I had a computer
Joshua Carpenter>>just different tools
Andy Epton>>you're weird
Joshua Carpenter>>not different me
Hoa Pham>>exactly, that is my point, why don't we just have this
debate sititng down in a circle
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Andy Epton>>i'm different
Kip Walker>>good
Guest Guest>>We know that Andy. >cause then everyone would talk at the same time and
nothing would get done
Joshua Carpenter>>same as here
Hoa Pham>>everyone is talking at the same time now
Douglas Brunson>>Computers are a good source for entertainment and
work. They are not to be used as a telephone.
Vernon Atkins>>everyone is unique in their own special way
Guest Guest>>Heaven forbid we all talk at the same time
Jeff Moreland>>actually the best way to have a discussion is to have
people tell us what to say and what to think
Kip Walker>>nothing is getting done in here
Douglas Brunson>>Not until we can see each other on them.
Guest Guest>>Think so, Jeff?
Jeff Moreland>>they should control our information
Andy Epton>>a lot is being done
Hoa Pham>>Doug, that is an excellent point
Joshua Carpenter>>were going back to that again
Lisa Christopher>>my head hurts
Andy Epton>>video phones
Guest Guest>>We need to compare talking vs listening.
Vernon Atkins>>waaahhhh
Hoa Pham>>yes
Guest Guest>>Why Lisa?
Joshua Carpenter>>Info overload?
Jeff Moreland>>because no one controlled her information
Lisa Christopher>>just a little
Guest Guest>>Do you want me to tell you what to think and say?
Jeff Moreland>>it all goes back to postman
Lisa Christopher>>my big brother can beat you up
Andy Epton>>and the Man
Hoa Pham>>good point jeff
Douglas Brunson>>In this environment to many idiots say too much.
Kip Walker>>it would be easier to write a paper if you told us what
to say
Jeff Moreland>>that would be you doug
Vernon Atkins>>im not an idiot
Douglas Brunson>>They should regulate what bull they put on my screen.
Vernon Atkins>>good call kip
Joshua Carpenter>>The problem here is that there is not enough
structure
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